Or and be .. Remember, Scripture, not our ideas and opinions are what we must follow and obey. We have many of these moments through out our physical lives. I dont think you read my comment carefully enough. Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. Parables were a common form of teaching in Judaism ( to lead us to self-examination) (https://www.osv.com/Magazines/TheCatholicAnswer/ByIssue/Article/TabId/809/ArtMID/13667/ArticleID/16800/Why-Did-Jesus-Use-Parables.aspx) (oops~ this is a Catholic reference~ how bout this one: Jeremiah 24:7. INTRODUCTION Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. Id be interested, too! If you are also then do we not have the same Holy Spirit to counsel and teach us? Read 2 CHRONICLES 34:1-33 [1] Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. Theres more than one link in the article providing video evidence of this. Why do you think I do not? Priscillas friendliness and genuine care for Christian women seem to shine throughevery word she speaks and writes. Just put the books aside and pick up His word and study it for yourself. How can we be Christians who care? ), placing herself into scripture and thereby improperly luring women to God through personal experiences of Jesus instead of purely reading the Word of God. Im sorry, Im a little unclear. rather than on the Bible. Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). Nehemiah 8:10 Verse Concepts What is your belief regarding Israel and the plan God has for the future of Israel? Like I said in todays article God has more for you and expects more from you than from you than settling for fluff and false doctrine. (Also, lets please try to keep things friendly and polite, OK?). 2 Timothy 4:5 Verse Concepts Thats good, but that doesnt change the fact that neither Beth nor Priscilla turn down speaking events that are open to both men and women. What we believe about God must come from Scripture alone. You may have loved her in War Room and want to buy her books. CARM has done articles on Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and some other well-known false teachers, which Ive linked to in other articles. Romans 8:24 For we Their focus is on Christian living type articles, not discernment (which is certainly fine, everybody has his own genre). I think the following articles will be helpful in answering your question: You might also want to take a look at the other articles in my Rock Your Role series. That's a possibility, but a better plan is that Scripture is Holy Spirit inspired. The Bible doesnt say anywhere that because only two people out of two million entered the Promised Land that only a handful of people will be able to experience (theres that word again) what weve learned on the pew.. She has been doing so for years. These are just a few of the dozens of examples available on YouTube and elsewhere of Priscilla Shirer preaching to men. She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. Maybe references other than S. Michael Houdmann (I think Michael does a very nice job on his website but he and his wife started GotQuestions.org after he claims to have received a vision from God to help others and by your own admission, visions and feelings are not Godly direction.) As for the topic of this post neither of us have heard of her, but thanks for the heads up and good article as always. Do you think the stretching feels good? Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. I. I dont really care about pursuing holiness and growing in Christ. If thats not what youre saying, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but if it is, Im concerned for your eternity. In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. Should she repent in these areas in which she has broken Scripture and align herself with biblical principles, she would have no bigger fan than I, and I would rejoice to be able to point Christian women to her as a doctrinally sound resource. Id be interested in hearing what Tony Evans says about his daughters doctrine. Please see the links to our EXTRA Bible Study notes at the bottom of the page. So we both have been grateful ever sense, me personally because; as her husband she is my most important ministry, so besides Church, we do studies both together and private, and then share them with one another, we also pray together and so on, but i know (because i have learned, and it is also true of men) sometimes women need women.(Titus.2:3-4). All you need to say is simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one. Ohmygoodness!!!! Thank you again. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer - The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-"pastored" by a woman) Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018 In closing out this conversation, I would strongly encourage you to continue practicing what youve said- just study your Bible in a systematic way, using good hermeneutics, and stay away from false teachers like Priscilla Shirer. There is no passage of Scripture that says its OK for a woman to preach to, teach, or hold authority over men in the gathered body of believers as long as she has permission from her pastor or husband. Again, since Scripture, not our opinions or feelings, is our authority, we have to obey that. (Ive addressed that here in case you might be interested.). Do you have other references to their false teaching? No, I have not confronted Priscilla Shirer about her sin (and thank you for realizing that what shes doing is, in fact, sin). The problem at the Colossian church (the reason Paul wrote this epistle to them) was that false doctrine was starting to creep in. Here they are promoting silence. But when an author rebukes another Christian publicly, as you have Ms. Shirer, than perhaps they may be asked to clarify further? where those who recognize the deception and want to speak up, will have a place to go. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Introduction This article really turned me off on her. I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. A sermon examining the fact that we should ever be amazed by Jesus. Reblogged this on queeninchrist's Blog and commented: I'll start.I'll share with you 2 Scriptures that have given me soooo much comfort and encouragement these past few days and then I'll anxiously wait for you to share what Scripture(s) you have been meditating on lately, received a ton of comfort and encouragement from and/or used to encourage someone else. Bible Study Workbooks Priscilla's studies help believers to know the truths of Scripture intellectually and encourage them to experience these truths practically by the power of the Holy Spirit. Who then do you believe has not sinned and is qualified to teach Gods Word? No-one is beyond hope. It states our purpose to do only those things which are authorized by the Scripture. #4b- this is supposition on your part. Yes, thats correct. Ill let you know how we continue our course of action. Thank you MIchelle Lesley. Although that interpretation of the text is a possibility, being consistent with the rest of Scripture, it is by no means certain. Well, man, if theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pewthen I want one of those to be me., The story of Joshua and Caleb being the only ones to enter the Promised Land has absolutely no connection whatsoever with how many Christians today will be able to achieve intimacy with God. Also, the small sources dont have skin in the book and lecture circuit game. She is the New York Times Best Selling author of more than two dozen books and has had featured roles in movies like War Room (2015), I Can Only Imagine (2018) and Overcomer (2019). This article is kept continuously updated as needed. 3. to me she lacks conviction of the word I dont hear it; she reminds me of Joel Osteen and thats not a compliment. Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. read more, Scripture: He was one of the founding fathers of the heretical Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation movement and a mentor to Ken Copeland, whos also a Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation heretic. GO FIGURE? Heres an example of Priscilla preaching to men and yoking with a false teacher as she preaches the Sunday sermon at Joel Osteens Lakewood Church: Priscilla teaches Christians to listen for Gods voice in an unbiblical form of prayer called contemplative prayer. but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 1 Corinthians 4:6 says: read more, Scripture: No, Im afraid theres no such thing as a false teacher being an entryway into the faith any more than a bowl of cyanide can be a good appetizer before a healthy dinner. 3. Why didnt you just study your Bible instead? #2 I wasnt aware that Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine and the Osteens were false teachers! Maybe a good example of Priscilla using eisegesis to teach scripture? The reason I refer people in on line conversations to my articles is so I dont have to regurgitate what Ive already written. How I wish I could ask him what he thinks of his heathen saving methods now that he has seen the face of Jesus!). For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. There are two ways in which living in Christ helps us live beyond our fears: knowing that He is completely trustworthy, and doing as He calls us to do. Your objection is most likely answered here. He wants you to learn good theology and sound doctrine. I would love for you to hang out with us here at the blog and/or on social media (links at the top of this page). 1 Samuel 30: 6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his As a sister in Christ, I believe we should be happy for their success and teaching us the Word of God. Genesis 24:1-4. Mark 7:31-37. My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ. Let's find out as we begin this study in discernment, Choose What Is Right. Some of the points you bring up give me pause. If a woman is supposedly knowledgeable enough about the Bible to be in the position of teaching and authoring, yet doesnt understand or obey such a basic biblical truth, what does that say about the rest of her knowledge of the Bible? In Japan there was a man in the imperial orchestra couldnt play a note. ), but 2 Corinthians 6:14ff and 2 John 9-11, among other passages, are very clear that we are not to partner with those who teach false doctrine, which Catholicism, Word of Faith, and many other churches do. Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. You are very kind and encouraging :0). One of two things happens: either Im ignored altogether, or one of her underlings gets back in touch with me to defend her. Opening Prayer. 4. Going Beyond Ministries is focused on the expository teaching of the Word of God. That is why there is so much confusion in the flock, they dont rebuke the error as Paul did, but are now hobnobbing with them.. When a choice you make or an incident happens that will from that moment define some aspect of your life! Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. 7,400,364 journeys have been made to this site. The true bride will always go beyond the minimal requirements. She was the chosen bride, not for doing the minimum, but for going beyond the expected. Genesis 24 King James Version (KJV) But, yes, sometimes I do offer to send someone Im talking to (face to face) links to my articles, other peoples articles, books, sermons, etc., if theyd like to study an issue more. Here is a short http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com article on Lisa: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=10843, You can also tell a lot about these leaders by what events they speak at: Here is a partial list of things that the Bible does not answer definitively: 1. Unfortunately, they depend on LifeWay to deliver sound material. Likewise I will not listen to Beth or Priscilla despite the fact that they are both Southern Baptist {as am I} because they teach false doctrine. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. Matthew 28:1-20, Denomination: Or and be .. Combining elements of Eastern mysticism and New Age spirituality, this practice of emptying the mind and listening for Gods voice is found nowhere in Scripture. As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. YLT, NASB, ASV, AM, LEB, WEB. If I might, it would be my joy to help you out with this. Id like to ask, was Kenneth Hagin also a false preacher, because he dealt extensively with this issue of women preaching in his book, and made several clarifications in his book The Women Question. Together with her husband, Jerry, she heads up Going Beyond Ministries. Youve come to the correct conclusion about Priscillas teaching, and the Holy Spirit does direct genuine believers away from false teaching (John 10:5), but I want all of my readers who happen across this comment to please make sure (as Im sure Lynette did) you ALWAYS base your beliefs on what Scripture says, not on feelings and impressions. 3And I will make thee swear by 1And Abraham was old, and well stricken in age: and the Lord had blessed Abraham in all things. Before you answer No too quickly, consider that we cannot live without fear. Let us look at it from a mindset point of view. If a pastor (or husband- Beth has also said she is acting under her husbands mantle of authority) tries to give her that authority, he is putting himself in the place of God who has prohibited it and he is sinning, too. Lots of information about those online and at http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com and Berean Research. There are two lists of women and two lists of men. Our new series is designed and I believe inspired by the Holy Spirit to show how Christianity is not just about going to church on Sunday morning. 15 Outstanding Quotes To Recharge Your Preaching. These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) The Bible doesnt say anything of the sort. That is not what the Bible says that preachers and teachers are to do. She seems somewhat self righteous. Morning Service What Priscilla and so many others do is pretty much the opposite of a parable. Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. God speaks to us and teaches us through the careful study and preaching of His word, not through subjective voices, feelings, and experiences in the rhythms of everyday living (what, precisely, does that phrase even mean?) We are committed to teaching the uncompromising truths of His Word. I havent done One in a Million yet) this is supposition on your part. Christianity and Adversity: Corona Virus and a Faith Based approach Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry But read her He Speaks to Me Bible study for yourself if you want to assess. We would be unified around the truth of Scripture. If you are considering commenting or sending me an e-mail objecting to the fact that I warn against false teachers, please click here and read this article first. Next, youre not going to see an article like this from TGC or Challies. Also your references in Matthew do not apply, and sadly this out of context mess gets regurgitated as much, if not more so, as Matthew 7, and the whole Do not ever judge crowd. (Also, their main genre is apologetics, not discernment.) You shall generously give to him, and your heart shall not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all your undertakings. After a bit of research on Ms. Shirer, Im determined that shes one to beware of. Be a Christian Who Cares Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. It would stand to reason that all those that have never heard of Christ have not accepted Him and therefore, as Rom 1 details, they die in their sin. Furthermore, if this is a disingenuous comment/questions, you are being deceitful and displaying ungodly character and you need to repent. As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. I am a born again Christian. If you wouldnt follow a male pastor or Bible teacher who was open and unrepentant about committing adultery or shoplifting or getting plowed every weekend, why would you follow any female Bible teacher who preaches to and instructs men? No mention of sitting in silence or listening here nor in any of the other passages in which the Bible teaches about prayer. Our faith is rock solid if we have placed it in Godthe unchanging, perfect, eternal, sovereign One. Joshua 24:1-33, Beyond Sunday is about being a person who is after Gods own heart a person who loves God first and foremost who places their love relationship number one in their life the person who does the One Thing the greatest thing first with God/Jesus love, Beyond Sunday pt. They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. I do not endorse any of these sites in so far as any of them might deviate from Scripture or conflict with my beliefs as outlined in the Welcome or Statement of Faith tabs at the top of this page. Not from Scripture. She goes beyond what is written in teaching men, in partnering with false teachers, in teaching unbiblical prayer practices, and in using improper hermeneutics. 2:57- Do you know that of the original two million Jewish people only two actually ever made it? It sounds like you want to be discerning and weigh things carefully. #3- There are a couple of links in the additional resources section that deal with Priscillas teaching of contemplative prayer, but I really should have included one in the paragraph itself, so Ive fixed that. Do you send women to your articles as a response?. I can tell that just from your comment. Throughout Ive fixed it (as well as a few others that have expired). 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