It was half baked escape plans that were more in her head than anything and that the media enjoyed blowing out of proportions. She should have had the lawyer of her choice and if they wanted to charge her with the crimes, they should have stuck with what evidence and circumstances they had. Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. My opinion of why Mr. Hugi adopted Christie and Danny was to seal their lips. Therefore, my understanding is that the original sentence is deemed indefinite with parole hearings every 10 years. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture: relevance? I personally dont think she is innocent but that isnt the point. I think that looked at through a more objective lens, many aspects of the Downs case are highly questionable. 6. Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for 6 months in 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. If you read the blog, you will see examples of his lack of dedication. I will change it. You wondered at times, which side he was working for. Lori, I luv how you ended your comment Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. More reason to have investigated the case more thoroughly. The blog I read is all about the improprieties and flat out misconduct in Dianes trial (and the way Ann Rule profited off of it with fiction). Her trial was speculative and based on so many fallacies. It was also said at trial that the shooter would have been left handed, which was not the case for Diane. We, who watched her parole hearing a few years ago prayed HARD that she wouldnt be set free, know she is guilty. The judge who took away her children presided over her criminal trial. But you are right to say that it is my site. The unicorn, the song, her personality. They are still part of their birth family. She says she was outside the car n watched the man shoot her children n then the only adult n person who could tell police about him only gets a shot in the arm n takes time to bandage her arm. Thanks for the link. This article is about due process and the legal right to a fair trial for everyone. Diane followed the detectives to their car. Mr. Jagger failed to challenge that competency. Page 40 of Case History. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story.. ?.the fact you are ignoring something SO OBVIOUS is a red flag. Too bad she did not interview Diane or her family. They checked her shoes and they were clean. 5. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. That wasn't all that stood in their way, as Diane eventually ran away from home. I dont believe there was a CK. Brewer changed his mind. There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. Let me tell you, it wasnt just the investigators and the prosecution that didnt believe herwe, Oregonians, (who ACTUALLY live here and watched what was happening) believe she is guilty. These are no facts its partial truths and conjecture. He gave temporary custody to Dr. Wilhite. I know better now than to accept blindly the truth presented to us on a silver platter by the media and the judicial system. A demonstration in court strongly suggested that the shooter had to be left-handed to have been able to shoot in the car at the right angle. If not, why not? Except for Paul Cortez. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. I didn't get tipsy, I'm pretty good at handling alcohol. And their plan worked. And of course, she added her own brand of paranoia, which is to be expected considering her personality disorder and what she went through. James C. Jagger who was hired by Dianes father was an ex-Prosecutor. Almost from day one, Diane was perceived as a cancer they had to remove. As it was getting dark and the young ones fell asleep in the car, their mother decided to head home. Fred Hugi looks nothing like Jim Jagger. this is your 2nd quote which contradicts the first one .. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. I dont know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway. Her mom is still alive and would love to have contact but respect that they wont. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. If he was getting too close to the witness emotionally he should have stepped away from the case. If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. What followed was a tragedy subject to many interpretations. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. This coercion came to Dianes attention in January 1989 (Appendix 39). Page 41 of case history. They lied about the ballistics. https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M: If youre talking about the picture in the blog that is labeled as Christie, it is Christie. You say she made more of a fuss about her arm than about the injuries her children sustained. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. I cant believe that it was allowed to happen, actually. Nobody ignored Dianes demeanor. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. Detective Welch reminded Diane of the assault her sister witnessed in February 1983, in which steve Downs broke Dianes tailbone (Appendix 74, page 1025). Maybe she wanted to buy drugs. The weird behavior (laughing and joking in the shooting reenactment), bullets found at her home and the constant changing of her story only is icing on her guilty cake. Diane Downs was one of the most infamous murderers of the 1980s; the emotionally flat blonde was convicted of shooting her three children, killing one of them, along a roadway in Springfield,. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. High profile cases usually do not get the same treatment as regular folks. As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. She has done her time in prison and I hope that she gets the chance to get out and spend time with her mother and siblings. She was also shot twice andifshe had been sitting up, the seats would have been covered with blood spatter as well as the shooter. We dont know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. Imagine the ones there for years. Diane has not been deemed an ongoing public threat that I am aware of. And I care about the lack of evidence. Seems like former husband, Steve Downs, should've been the custodial parent after the divorce. It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. She talked to Diane for 15 minutes, there was thebizarre and partialOprah interview that was basically a lets bash Diane event and she wrote to Diane in jail to ask her what she thought of Hugi adopting her children. She said a bunch of really stupid things in the media (my kids were lucky, not me gets the palm) and basically bury herself. I wish she could get a new look. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. I couldnt get my hands on the book nor find anything in librariesso basically it was many years later I dove into knowing more about this case, that kinda haunted me. Im all for justice, reviewing facts and overturning corrupt decisions. Posted by October 30, 2021 apush gilded age test on why didn't steve downs get custody The way it was. You are right. They are the ones who supposedly (according to Diane) screwed her up so badly. You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. When they recaptured her, she was very docile. Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. Just goes to show how difficult it is sometimes to find the truth. I actually do not know what really happened. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. Oh my. In hindsight Im sure the grandparents wish they had pursued visitation more aggressively. It was never a slam dunk. And she laughed at it by saying it was healthy to want to join the free world, especially if you proclaim your innocence. The fact that Dianes injury was way more serious than they tried to pretend? Whether or not Steve Downs was in some way behind the shooting, the man who fired the weapon was a stranger to Diane. She unwillingly followed the cops in spite of being in pain and not wanting to leave the premises. The reason she is likely locked up is because she was diagnosed with narcissistic, histrionic and anti social personality disorder, that makes her a very dangerous person (especially since she is a murderer). Late one May night in 1983, Diane Downs sped into an emergency room dropoff in Springfield, Ore., with a horrifying story to tell. Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. Diane Downs changed her story so many times, even at her parole hearing. Hardly circumstantial or coincidental what are the chances that a bushy haired stranger, masked men, or someone that knew her (take your pick from Dianes ever shifting account) would have the exact same bullets matching to bullets from a gun owned by Diane ? Just a thought. I feel compelled to comment on this blog, because having recently read Ann Rules book, I feel exactly as you did. The problem was, Diane has a long-documented history of adversely reacting to tranquilizing drugs. She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it: opinion, not fact The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. Halo Infinite. U seem very one sided on every case Ann Rule has ever written just as u claim she did to u. N her parents didnt want custody of the children just like the father. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Diane is not a killer or a liar! How was DD able to get away from CK and get the keys back into the ignition without there being more attempts on her life? Now in hindsight, seeing footage on youtube, especially the interview she did with the reporter Anne Jagger, the things she says and facial expression is exactly described in the bookhad to find the section in the book, but on that note, Anne rule did site that interview correctly. Dianewas jealous ofthe other woman, but Robert Knickerbockers wife said that she foundher rather friendly during their encounter. The whole blog claims the trial was flawed. Of course, her mental health has deteriorated. What mother takes her kids out at night and then stops for a stranger with her kids in the car? Seems to me that if that part of the story were true, and she really wanted to find her childrens shooter, she would have provided that information. Some would say that Diane Downs was condemned because of her lies and inconsistencies, but I think that it was mostly because of her disturbing demeanor and brash personality. The kind of TV series that they produce on high profile crimes will make sure to turn public opinion. This blogger believes in the presumption of innocence and in the possibility of redemption. 4. A. I dont recall telling her to get an apartment. To Lisa Griggs Wednesday, March 1, 2023: Today on General Hospital, Obrecht is furious with both Liz and Scott, Finn offers to stand by Liz, and Sonny and Dex bond over a meal. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. And Im really not on the fence the little girl was coachedI believe the ex husband , his freinds, and her lovers were invalid either way. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. So obviously, she was the prime suspect. Jump through the States hoops, or find a noose around your neck. Diane downs. Children imitate their parents every move. After the trial that convicted Diane Downs, Fred Hugi, the Prosecutor adopted Christie and Danny (they were in foster care for 2 years before he decided to adopt them), the two surviving children. There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many cant believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? Being bipolar, she had no impulse control so it should not have surprised anyone. They rarely get a break. Ive done my research. The tape of Christie and her adoption by the prosecutor are facts. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? Dianes daughter started saying that she did not know who shot them right when she got adopted. It is called a conflict of interest. Thanks again. In what world is that O.K. I found nothing. ), years in solitary confinment Whats wrong with us?! She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system. This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke Its my opinion that this young woman has been judged in a way that signifies something to do with how we view women in our society. LMFAO!!!! This is an extremely tragic case and her children at the very least deserve justice. In her book Heart Full of Lies, Rule took so many liberties with the facts that Liysa Northon sued her. To the authorities, it was a ridiculous notion that they would not entertain so they did not follow on numerous leads coming from people who had seen someone corresponding to that description. In the blog, there is a link on the subject of bipolar people who tend to laugh at the wrong time. There is no way that a jury would convict Diane today, based on the clearly coached testimony of Christie. They went through the process which demonstrates a certain level of commitment in itself. I see that Downs had a parole hearing in late 2020 but I cant see the outcome. I dont know either if she is guilty or not, but I believe there is a reasonable doubt surrounding the circumstances. From the very beginning, the DAs office had their ducks in a row because in an unprecedented move, Judge Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs. A fair trial is a right in this country, not a judicial suggestion. Plus, the circumstances of this charade were more than sinister. But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. They now have social media arenas reminiscent of the Romans cheering at the sight of a thumb down meaning there will be a bloodshed. Danny said several times that a bad man shot them and it was written in the nurses notes, but never that his mother shot him. You hit the nail on the head by stating that in the US especially, they seem to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. It has become entertainment and there can only be good, bad and evil. 5. Caught in the act, Hugi declared that Christie only said that because she was pressed for an answer. According to the state, the shooter was well inside the car and would have had gun powder on its clothing, body or hair if 3 people were shot in the car at close distance. I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. Nuts maybe, but not threatening. The diagnosis of the psychiatrist for the state is also clearly documented. Most were married because Diane had no desire to remarry. But as usual, it was slanted in the worst possible way. They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. Maybe dad relinquished, it sounds like he may have. They should have looked for a possible accomplice and checked all the leads. You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. She keeps her emotions under tight control, presenting only socially acceptable feelings and burying other contradictory feelings.. Anne Rule made a big deal of a brass unicorn engraved with the childrens names that Diane had purchased. Much worse. You are wondering about the question why didn't steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. 6. They should have had ongoing contact and been placed with family as soon as they were out of the hospital and they never should have been interviewed without their own attorney (Guardian ad Litem) present. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom. 2.Diane herself has stated that the shooter was outside the car and shot THROUGH the window, no blood spatter. She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side. Bannon, a former adviser . The next morning Diane appeared in the courtroom with a police report written by Detective Pond a year earlier, in which Ms. Patterson was sure Diane had gone nowhere near the bathroom the night of the shooting (Appendix 62). One of the important pieces of evidence was the absence of all but a trace of gunshot residue. The children had a father. So I start with that bit of history in mind. Why did they let her daughter testify when she could not know who shot her and said so incessantly until they made her say what they wanted? And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. , The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie, Anne Rule might have inflamed the case with her book, Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), The Diane Downs Case Was no Small Sacrifice. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. He is in his 70s now and his photo is not on his linkedin or anywhere I could find. Thanks for posting for readers. Youre right to say that a GSR is not always foolproof and between 10-20% of suicide GSR kits test negative for GSR. The only reason they kept her in prison even if she had all the right documentation and support, is because she is high profile. She should of been sentenced to death. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. I think that Van Houten was recommended for parole by a system that assessed that after 40 years, she was not a threat to society and a reformed woman. One of the jurors finally declared. The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. It seems that the Downs were totally ignored. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. Whatever mental illness she has, has gotten worse with each hearing. ABC MOVIE FOR TV Small Sacrifices 1989 Farrah Fawcett, Ryan ONeal. Additionally, homicide or assault victims shot by someone else can test positive for GSR. I cant believe anyone even believes or even follows you. The police DID fingerprint the car, from grill to trunk and in between. I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. It surely was not due process. Why is there virtually no info on him? What this is evidence of is one more piece of the overwhelming amount of bias that was involved from the start of the case. Mr. Jagger read the report and said, you were right. Your prayers were answered. I had visited Dr. Billings site several times and it is too bad that it was removed. Leaving out a lot of info that should be included and presenting a very one sided take on these things. Anyways, I was 10 years old when this happened, I stayed with my aunt and uncle a lot in those years, in which they watched A LOT of nightly news programs.lol most of it was like white noise to me, as I would play with my barbies on their living room floorbut I do remember this story. But I am so tired of the enough time has been served and other criminals have been paroled. Until the end of the trial. Hed left his first wife to co-habitate with (and later marry) Charlene. If you listen to the recording, Christie clearly says I dont know who did it. She was asleep, thats why. He had an attorney, Fred G. Campbell Jr., send us a letter denying our request and telling us: You are legally, as well as factually, a stranger to them. Who does he think he is? So the prosecutor adopted the kids? Because she had driven that area for years for her work. She was not given one inch of presumption of innocence. Her husband turned out to be a player and a very irresponsible guy who did not really love her. Diane had siblings and parents. Its tiresome. Very little is definitively known in this area. You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. The lack of balance and objectivity. She is a monster and belongs in prison for the rest of her life. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. Most get through it fine, maybe some complications or pain, maybe even some post pardum. It is because she is a high profile person. This happened in 1983, not 1893. After asking her to have an affair, he kept vacillating between his wife and her. Conflict of interest on steroids!! The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie Small Sacrifices was known for her epic battles with lover Ryan ONeil. Many troubling elements of the case were discovered after the trial, but there was enough during the proceedings to be asking questions. The interpretation of blood splatter is different than no blood splatter. Hugi did not want that. The answers to those questions do not matter anymore. If I was of a mind to manipulate the Board by giving voice to the words they want me to utter, Id have sold my soul two decades ago when the lies would have benefited me and my youth passed long ago. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case. There were days she was unhappy to see the staff and her family because she was very ill. That poor girl had a lot of bad moments where she would cry constantly or trigger the machines and to have defined this single incident as one of terror instead of excitement over seeing her mom was biased and self-serving. Diane was sentenced to life plus 50 years. It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole? Is it just to continue to punish her so long after she is obviously no longer a danger in any way to anyone? HUGE conflict of interest. The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. It seems that everyone commenting just knows shes guilty, like you say. No gun, no blood or gun residue on her and if she shot them, these elements should have been there. Van Houten has made her choices and needs to own up to her actions and stop putting all the blame on drugs and Manson. And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? Libby, I quoted what Diane said. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Re Diane Downs I invite reading Synopsis quite similar to above: OREGONs Juridical Small Sacrifices The Cinemaholic reports that Steve was often known for being immature and irresponsible, something that didn't see their rekindled relationship get off to the best start. May be the guy who says he did it. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. Mind you, it is before the trial. If the answer is, revenge, then it has been achieved. I look forward to reading your other blogs. Below this letter see links to Salem-News.com articles about the questionable conviction of Diane Downs. It was far fetched, unfoundedand convenientlyrelayedby Rule to boost the sales of her book. Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. The whole case is crazy. 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